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		<title>Comment on You are not the point of church by utineneamerie</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on No, no, no: starting a new conversation on worship music by TedFoldes</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 04:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Greetings everyone! I am new in the forum. Just wanted to greet you all :)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Backing Tracks up online by guided reading instruction</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 04:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;guided reading instruction...&lt;/strong&gt;

That’s good that you are making such smashing knowledge just about this good topic. And we think that should be very good if people order the thesis abstract or buy dissertation from you.:)...</description>
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<p>That’s good that you are making such smashing knowledge just about this good topic. And we think that should be very good if people order the thesis abstract or buy dissertation from you.:)&#8230;
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		<title>Comment on Band on stage = performance. Or does it? by Phil Harding</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nice post, I think you make some good points! I have played in church bands that were &quot;off to the side&quot; and always found it a bit strange, and as you say, difficult to feel a connection to the congregation.

However, how do you feel all this applies when a praise/worship band is playing in a non-church setting? For example at a music festival, or at a gig with other bands that don't play praise music?
If the audience's mindset is to watch and listen to bands, rather than to worship God by singing, how does this effect what the praise band is doing on stage? Do you still feel the band can be worshipping, and the audience can join in this worship by watching/listening? Or do you feel the band can have two modes, one in leading worship, the other in encouraging watchers through their performance? Or do you have any other thoughts on how this works?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, I think you make some good points! I have played in church bands that were &#8220;off to the side&#8221; and always found it a bit strange, and as you say, difficult to feel a connection to the congregation.</p>
<p>However, how do you feel all this applies when a praise/worship band is playing in a non-church setting? For example at a music festival, or at a gig with other bands that don&#8217;t play praise music?<br />
If the audience&#8217;s mindset is to watch and listen to bands, rather than to worship God by singing, how does this effect what the praise band is doing on stage? Do you still feel the band can be worshipping, and the audience can join in this worship by watching/listening? Or do you feel the band can have two modes, one in leading worship, the other in encouraging watchers through their performance? Or do you have any other thoughts on how this works?
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		<title>Comment on You are not the point of church by Chihong</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If I may, this seems to be similar to this: what we do (church activities) does not matter if we do not keep in mind that the purpose behind all the tens of thousands of hours we, as an individual, put in is to be God's humble children and fulfil the mission He gives us. Our lives are part of the glorious mission, which will ONLY be achieved by our working under God's guidance.

The ability to contribute greatly by preaching and serving in church/life is helpful for us to see the progress in ourselves in the process of building up the relationship with God, but all the glory is and should be attributed to God, who offers us the humanity and fellowship with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I may, this seems to be similar to this: what we do (church activities) does not matter if we do not keep in mind that the purpose behind all the tens of thousands of hours we, as an individual, put in is to be God&#8217;s humble children and fulfil the mission He gives us. Our lives are part of the glorious mission, which will ONLY be achieved by our working under God&#8217;s guidance.</p>
<p>The ability to contribute greatly by preaching and serving in church/life is helpful for us to see the progress in ourselves in the process of building up the relationship with God, but all the glory is and should be attributed to God, who offers us the humanity and fellowship with each other.
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		<title>Comment on You are not the point of church by Andy Judd</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 01:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Not at all! And Peterson is certainly not saying that.

In fact, Peterson thinks that edification should be the focus of the church (but not to the exclusion of engagement with God):

“Nevertheless, if the focus of the meeting is on the edification of the church, this should enable God’s people individually to engage with him afresh and to offer themselves to him in the way that he requires and himself makes possible through the Holy Spirit. Thus, the ‘vertical’ and the ‘horizontal’ dimensions of what takes place should not be artificially separated. One part of the meeting cannot be ‘the worship time’ (e.g. prayer and praise) and another part ‘the edification time’ (e.g. preaching), since Paul’s teaching encourages us to view the same activities from both points of view. “</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all! And Peterson is certainly not saying that.</p>
<p>In fact, Peterson thinks that edification should be the focus of the church (but not to the exclusion of engagement with God):</p>
<p>“Nevertheless, if the focus of the meeting is on the edification of the church, this should enable God’s people individually to engage with him afresh and to offer themselves to him in the way that he requires and himself makes possible through the Holy Spirit. Thus, the ‘vertical’ and the ‘horizontal’ dimensions of what takes place should not be artificially separated. One part of the meeting cannot be ‘the worship time’ (e.g. prayer and praise) and another part ‘the edification time’ (e.g. preaching), since Paul’s teaching encourages us to view the same activities from both points of view. “
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		<title>Comment on You are not the point of church by Gary</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 01:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Are you saying that church is not about teaching at all?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Band on stage = performance. Or does it? by Malcolm Gordon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've thought about this stuff quite a bit, and read a fair bit too. However, you made a couple of unique contributions that I really appreciated.

I felt your point that a ministry of music is a ministry of the Word was a good one. Of course this places more emphasis on the quality of the songs that we use, to ensure they 'cut the mustard'! It also demands that the songs we use are working in the same direction as the message and the readings etc. But I would hope these things were happening anyway!

So this perspective has helped unsettle me, once I thought I'd made my mind up! Thanks guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about this stuff quite a bit, and read a fair bit too. However, you made a couple of unique contributions that I really appreciated.</p>
<p>I felt your point that a ministry of music is a ministry of the Word was a good one. Of course this places more emphasis on the quality of the songs that we use, to ensure they &#8216;cut the mustard&#8217;! It also demands that the songs we use are working in the same direction as the message and the readings etc. But I would hope these things were happening anyway!</p>
<p>So this perspective has helped unsettle me, once I thought I&#8217;d made my mind up! Thanks guys.
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		<title>Comment on Passionate Response by Steph</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;So surely the jubilation of being forgiven, freed from the slavery to sin, loved by the almighty creator of the universe and adopted into the family of God should provoke a greater response than a bored look of disengagement similar to that of commuters queuing for Monday morning train tickets?&quot;

Well said, Cedric. Thanks man.</description>
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<p>Well said, Cedric. Thanks man.
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		<title>Comment on What makes great song leading? by Calum Henderson</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think that this is a helpful discussion. I would totally agree with the fact that there are so many great singers, but not song leaders. And that the skills rarely go together.

I would want to say that singing ability is far second in importance to song leading. Although ability to lead a congregation in pitch is still important.

A song leaders primary purpose is to lead the congregation, which includes linking worship before and after the song. Making the experience meaningful for the congregation and riding waves that the congregation is feeling.

I would agree with Tom in saying that it needs to be sacrificial, you are song leading for the congregation, not for you. So you are there to lead them actively, not just to sing in front of them.

Would love an extended discussion about this with anyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this is a helpful discussion. I would totally agree with the fact that there are so many great singers, but not song leaders. And that the skills rarely go together.</p>
<p>I would want to say that singing ability is far second in importance to song leading. Although ability to lead a congregation in pitch is still important.</p>
<p>A song leaders primary purpose is to lead the congregation, which includes linking worship before and after the song. Making the experience meaningful for the congregation and riding waves that the congregation is feeling.</p>
<p>I would agree with Tom in saying that it needs to be sacrificial, you are song leading for the congregation, not for you. So you are there to lead them actively, not just to sing in front of them.</p>
<p>Would love an extended discussion about this with anyone!
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